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2025 @ExpatriationLaw – X.com Spaces: Understanding Tax Reform For #Americansabroad

Introduction

“It Takes A Village!”

As everybody (who even the slightest interest) knows there is:

1. A need to end the application of the U.S. citizenship tax regime to Americans abroad

2. An awareness of the issue – created primarily by President Elect Trump’s announcement to end the “double taxation” of Americans abroad (Shout out to the Republicans Overseas Tax Committee for their work over the years)

3. Tremendous work by various “groups” over MANY years including (without limitation) including ACA, AARO, SEAT, Dems Abroad Tax, Rep Overseas Tax, Association Of Accidental Americans and Tax Fairness For Americans abroad (resulting in the Lahood Bill)

4. Great commentary from individuals in the Social Media space

5. Support from blogs and Facebook groups, including without limitation: The Isaac Brock Society, Keith Redmond’s American Expatriates Facebook Group, Karen Alpert’s Fix The Tax Treaty Group and Anthony Parent’s IRS Medic Youtube channel.

6. Lawsuits including the ADCS-ADSC FATCA Canada lawsuit and the Republicans Overseas FATCA Legal Action Lawsuit.

7. The Republicans Overseas initiative which organized the 2017 Meadows FATCA hearing.

8. The 2018 Holding Bill which was the first bill introduced to relieve the plight of Americans overseas.

9. Congressman Beyer’s 2017 Tax Simplification For Americans Abroad Act.

10. Superhuman efforts from a number of individuals either in their personal capacity or representing their groups. Particular mention should go to those who have specifically associated their names with the need for change. These include (but are certainly not limited to: Solomon Yue, James Gosart, Laura Snyder, Rebecca Lammers and many others (you can leave comments adding more …) These people have been working while you were sleeping. They have always been working when you were awake. They invested incredible amounts of time and energy in solving this problem.

Bottom line: This is where we are. Congress will be thinking about tax reform in 2025.

President Elect Trump has made the pledge that it’s time to end the “double taxation” of Americans abroad.

This is the single most important pledge and acknowledgement of this problem. A statement from the President is the single most important acknowledgement. (See the video referenced in the following tweet.)

We still need to understand the scope of this pledge. What does it mean? How far does it go?

To put it simply, it’s time for ALL Americans abroad to “Seize The Day”!

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I have started a series of discussion on X.com “Spaces” to interact with interested people and to explore these issues. I have no idea how many I will do. I have no idea how long they will last. But, I thought it would be good to have a post the lists the discussions (previous and upcoming). So, that is the purpose of this post. You can bookmark this page and check back. Feel free to contact me X.com/ExpatriationLaw with comments or suggestions.

All of the “X Spaces” are summarized on Substack at:

https://expatriationlaw.substack.com

All of the “X Spaces” are summarized on Spotify at:

https://open.spotify.com/show/6LEpZEhGrK4Ap4qlU9Frlr

All of the “X Paces” are summarized on Apple podcasts at:
https://podcastsconnect.apple.com/my-podcasts/show/expatriationlaw-x-spaces-lives-discussions-ending-double-taxation-of-americans-abroad/d46b4dd0-8695-46de-a259-fc204f152781/episodes

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Impressions of the @RepMarkMeadows April 26/17 #FATCA Hearing in Washington, DC – Opportunity to make case to end "taxation-based citizenship"

FATCA Hearings in Washington, DC – April 26, 2017

Beginnings – It all began in July 2016

The purpose of this post is NOT to describe the hearing in detail (that has already been well done), but rather to provide my overall (and perhaps broader) impressions based on actually having attended the hearing.

The April 26, 2017 FATCA hearing in Washington was long in the making. It’s genesis was rooted in a meeting that took place in July of 2016 at the Republican National Convention. The planning and preparation involved the efforts and consistent cooperation (weekly meetings since August) of a number of people in different countries and on different continents. It was a privilege to have been part of this group. A list of the people who worked on making the hearing happen – the  “FATCA prep team” – is  described here. Those efforts culminated in what some  witnessed “in real time” on April 26, and what thousands more will see (thanks to Youtube) in days to come.

The hearing has already been documented IN DETAIL and discussed in various places IN DETAIL, with the best commentary coming from posts at the Isaac Brock Society here and here and various Facebook groups here, here, here and here. (An example of ridiculous commentary is here.) When I say “commentary” I mean NOT ONLY the posts, but the rich and insightful comments. Seriously, this collection of “digital experiences” really is “History In The Making!”

Thinking about FATCA, What is it anyway?

I have written numerous posts about FATCA – “The Little Red FATCA Book” which you will find here. An explanation of how the Meadows “Repeal FATCA” bill would actually work is here. Basically, FATCA is the collective effect of a number of amendments (including the creation of a new Chapter 4 of Subtitle A of the Internal Revenue Code – which has made largely irrelevant by the FATCA IGAs)  which are designed to identify, attack and impose sanctions on:

A. FATCA: Non-U.S. banks and other financial institutions

Forcing them to “hunt down” the financial accounts and entities (examples include mutual funds, corporations, trusts and some insurance policies) owned by “U.S. persons”. The goal is to “turn them over” to the IRS.

This imposes enormous compliance costs on non-U.S. banks. The obvious effect is that they will not want  U.S. person customers. Would you? Interestingly the focus of the witnesses (Mr. Crawford and Mr. Kuettel) was primarily on the denial of basic access to financial and banking services.

Although important, this is only one half of the equation. What happens when “U.S. persons” learn (the vast majority had no idea) that they are subject to U.S. taxation?

B. FATCA: “U.S. Persons” with non-U.S. financial assets and bank accounts

It is not possible for “U.S. citizens” to BOTH: be U.S. tax compliant and live a productive life outside the United States, when they are also subject to the tax laws of other nations. (Digital nomads are the exception.) The reason is that U.S. citizens living outside the United States are living under a system where:

  1. They are presumed to live in the United States (which they don’t); and
  2. Their assets (which are local to them) are presumed to be “foreign” to the United States.

If you don’t understand (or don’t believe) why this is true, you will find an explanation here.

Just remember:

“When In Rome, Live As A Homelander” and do NOT “Commit Personal Finance Abroad!”

(It’s UnAmerican)

Although a major effect of FATCA is to subject Americans abroad to a very special set of tax rules (think PFIC, foreign pension, CFC, and a crushing burden of forms that impact ONLY Americans abroad), there was NO witness that even alluded to this as one of the effects of FATCA. (FATCA is the enforcer of the uniquely American policy of “taxation-based citizenship”). There was also no witness that described how a “FATCA letter” can lead to absolute financial ruin for honest taxpayers, who have made a life outside the friendly borders of the United States of America. There was no witness who explained the confiscatory effects of entering one of the IRS “Amnesty – Ministry of Love” programs.

This had had the effect of making it seem as though FATCA (in terms of the effect on Americans abroad) was just a simple “disclosure – Form 8938 issue. Nothing could be further from the truth.

If it were not for “taxation-based citizenship”, FATCA would be no more or less a problem for Americans abroad than it would be for Homelanders (which doesn’t mean it is not a problem). Unfortunately, the hearing did not provide evidence on this point.
(This is NOT a criticism. But, just imagine if there had been witnesses who had been identified as a “U.S. Person” because of FATCA, did NOT know about “taxation-based citizenship” and then were forced into the “Offshore Voluntary Disclosure Program“. Now that would have been a story …!)

It is “taxation-based citizenship” that makes the effects of FATCA so hard on Americans abroad! In 2011, I remember thinking:

The United States can have either FATCA or it can have “taxation-based citizenship” but it CANNOT have both!

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