Barnaby Joyce is a Kiwi, New Zealand confirms https://t.co/PY5Y9Ps3Ng via @ABCNews – Australia should just refuse to recognize him as a KIWI
— John Richardson – lawyer for "U.S. persons" abroad (@ExpatriationLaw) August 14, 2017
Shades of Larissa Waters …
Oh My God! Think of it:
My sources in Australia tell me …
This time it’s the Deputy Prime Minister – http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-14/barnaby-joyce-is-a-new-zealand-citizen-nz-government-confirms/8804620 – and the first member of the lower house to be tainted by dual citizenship. This is significant. With the Senate they usually go to the next person on that party’s ticket from the last Senate election. With the House of Reps they have to have a by-election – and Turnbull’s government is hanging on by a single vote. So, if the High Court rules that Barnaby Joyce must vacate his seat, it could topple the government!
And I thought that Politics in Canada was dirty. And we all revel in the daily stench of the toxic partisanship in the USA. But, hey at least these two countries do NOT have constitutional provisions that (as they have been interpreted) allow other countries to interfere in who the elected representatives are! (We let them interfere in covert ways – think “From Russia With Love” ….)
But Australia. This really is unique. Think of it. Once a person is accused of being a dual citizen – AS DEFINED BY THE LAWS OF ANOTHER COUNTRY – then the person is disqualified from serving in the Senate or the Lower House. I had always thought of Australia as a sovereign country. Can it really be true that Australia allows eligibility for service in the Senate or the lower house to be determined by another country’s citizenship laws? Does it matter whether these “foreign laws” confer citizenship by force rather than citizenship by consent?
Think of the possibilities here. There have always been suggestions that “The USA via the CIA” had been (wonderful melody) instrumental in the dismissal of Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam. Why go to so much trouble? The way Australia is interpreting its own constitution, all a future U.S. Government would have to do is confer U.S. citizenship on the Prime Minister of Australia and he would be forced to resign. But this would be the intentional “weaponization of citizenship”. (But, the FATCA is that: the USA would NEVER use citizenship as a weapon now, would it?) Australia has already surrendered much of its sovereignty to the United States through a combination of the FATCA IGA and the “savings clause” in the Australia U.S. Tax Treaty.
It’s worse than you think. The problem extends to the ongoing changes in the citizenship laws of other nations
What about the change in one country’s citizenship laws conferring citizenship on an Australian citizen without his/her knowing about it? For example, Canada has made significant amendments to its citizenship laws in 2009 and 2016. In both cases Canadian citizenship was conferred on people who did NOT have Canadian citizenship. One example is that prior to 1977, a person born abroad to a married couple where the father was NOT Canadian (say Australian) and the mother was Canadian would NOT have become Canadian by descent. In 2009 people in these circumstances were given Canadian citizenship. What if a person affected by this was in the Australian Senate in 2009 when the Canadian law was changed. Would that person be forced to resign?
Can the citizenship of country A be forcibly imposed on a resident of country B who has NEITHER ACCEPTED NOR ACKNOWLEDGED THAT CITIZENSHIP?
Who are the other Australian MPs and senators born overseas? https://t.co/1T236lpXH0 via @ABCNews – Citizenship by consent or by force?
— Citizenship Lawyer (@ExpatriationLaw) August 14, 2017
Australians may not be asking this question, but Canadians are asking the question (after all many of them are being accused of being U.S. citizens!) In a recent post at the Isaac Brock Society, Stephen Kish asks whether “citizenship requires consent”. The post is a great read with interesting comments. Mr. Kish puts the question this way:
Assume that you, a long-time citizen and resident of France, were born in the U.S. and left U.S. at age four hours after birth, never to return AND you never developed any ties (passport whatever) with U.S. AND never wanted, and do not want, and refuse to accept imposition of U.S. citizenship on your French citizen person — notwithstanding a birth citizenship law of a foreign country (the U.S.).
A lot of people in this post want to define you as an “Accidental American Citizen”, apparently because they feel that this is a useful, easy to digest and understand, term.
But you say: “No way people — I don’t accept U.S. imposition of non-meaningful citizenship that I don’t want and I TELL YOU THAT I AM NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN I AM ONLY A CITIZEN OF FRANCE”.
So given the scenario above and your position as a human person, is it accurate or not to say that you are an American citizen?
Does the majority vote that you must defer to a foreign citizenship law that “Trumps” (no pun intended) your right to say no way?
Now back to Australia …
A constitutional provision means what the judges say it means. Is there any possible way that the Constitution of Australia could possibly be interpreted to mean that the USA could bring down the Australian Government by simply declaring the Prime Minister to be a U.S. citizen? The notion is obviously absurd. Why is it absurd? It’s absurd because Australia would simply say:
“Well, the USA can define him any way that it wants. But we are going to use our own Australian laws to determine whether our Prime Minister is a U.S. citizen. And do you know what? Under Australian law he is NOT a U.S. citizen and that’s that.”
My point is this:
Australia is perfectly free to use its own law to determine whether somebody is a citizen of another country for the purposes of interpreting S. 44 of the Constitution of Australia.
That’s exactly what it must do.
I suggest the the following two principles make sense:
1. To grant a foreign power the right to interfere in the Australian political process is VERY DANGEROUS to Australia.
2. To allow Barnaby Joye, Malcolm Roberts, Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlam (who are expressions of democracy in Australia) to participate in Australian politics is a credit to the nation.
Time for Australia to grow up!!!
Appendix – Australian Constitution S. 44 and some academic commnetary
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT – SECT 44
Any person who:
(i) is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power; or
(ii) is attainted of treason, or has been convicted and is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of the Commonwealth or of a State by imprisonment for one year or longer; or
(iii) is an undischarged bankrupt or insolvent; or
(iv) holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the Commonwealth; or
(v) has any direct or indirect pecuniary interest in any agreement with the Public Service of the Commonwealth otherwise than as a member and in common with the other members of an incorporated company consisting of more than twenty-five persons;
shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.
But subsection (iv) does not apply to the office of any of the Queen’s Ministers of State for the Commonwealth, or of any of the Queen’s Ministers for a State, or to the receipt of pay, half pay, or a pension, by any person as an officer or member of the Queen’s navy or army, or to the receipt of pay as an officer or member of the naval or military forces of the Commonwealth by any person whose services are not wholly employed by the Commonwealth.
An interesting academic article by Professor Jeremy Gans is here which includes:
Despite the current refrain that the ex-Senators didn’t ‘follow the rules’ (and the High Court’s more recent goal of ‘certainty’ in s. 44’s operation), the effect of s. 44(i) remains quite uncertain. Describing the reasonable steps test it invented, the plurality in Sykes v Cleary wrote:
What amounts to the taking of reasonable steps to renounce foreign nationality must depend upon the circumstances of the particular case. What is reasonable will turn on the situation of the individual, the requirements of the foreign law and the extent of the connection between the individual and the foreign State of which he or she is alleged to be a subject or citizen. And it is relevant to bear in mind that a person who has participated in an Australian naturalization ceremony in which he or she has expressly renounced his or her foreign allegiance may well believe that, by becoming an Australian citizen, he or she has effectively renounced any foreign nationality.
The Labor and Liberal candidates held disqualified in Sykes v Cleary had each spent decades living and travelling on their birthplace passports before they immigrated to and became naturalised as Australians. The Ludlam and Waters cases could have been an excellent opportunity to test whether a ‘connection between the individual and the foreign State’ that consists only of birth and brief, infant residence, and the ex-Senators’ apparent beliefs (at least when they were naturalised) that they had no foreign citizenship at all, mean that no further steps to relinquish citizenship (even the mild ones required by NZ and Canada) are necessary. Alas, the ex-Senators (or, more likely, their party) have seemingly judged that the political costs of litigating that question now are too high.
I sense a “citizenship showdown” is coming in Australia. The question is:
Who decides whether an Australian is eligible to be a member of the Australian Senate or lower house! Is Australia a master of its own destiny?
The Australian elections council is asking for submissions on this issue relating to another Aussie politician. For now how ever the request primarily seems to deal with elections law issues.
Deadline is August 21st Australia time.
Interesting enough the Prime Minister of Australia is now defending his deputy leader in a letter to the leader of the opposition on the basis that there are “many” Australians that unknowingly maybe citizens of another county. This doesn’t seem to apply though to the Australian Tax Office’s application of FATCA.
The more significant issue is the current government only has a one seat majority. So if this one MP Barnaby Joyce were forced to resign the Australian government could very well fall.
However, the current Justice Minister/Attorney General of Australia is only “reasonably” confident that the courts will rule in favor of Burnaby Joyce. One thing I wonder is whether the AG of Australia is more concerned with protecting the US-AUS FATCA IGA and avoiding a harmful court precedent.
This is the exact quote from Australian PM Turnbull. Wonder what the ATO thinks of it.
“Turnbull said in his letter that: “It is manifestly in the national interest that the High Court have the opportunity to clarify the limits on the operation of Section 44(i) of the Constitution.
“With around half of all Australians having a foreign-born parent, and with many foreign nations having citizenship laws which confer citizenship by descent, regardless of place of birth, the potential for many, possibly millions of Australians unknowingly having dual citizenship is considerable.””
Somewhat interesting too also is that the equivocation given by the Australian AG’s office is very similar to the same type of equivocation given by the AUS AG at to the Constitutionality of the FATCA IGA.
Australian Commonwealth law governing discrimination on the grounds of race is broadly intended to give effect to Australia’s obligations under the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. These obligations are to promote equality before the law for all persons, regardless of their race, colour or national or ethnic origin, and to make discrimination against people on the basis of their race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin unlawful.
FATCA requires the interrogation or closure of customer accounts based on US citizenship. A person’s citizenship refers to their nationality. The fact that FATCA specifically targets US citizens means that it is specifically targeting certain persons, based on their nationality.
It is unlikely that this would be inconsistent with Commonwealth laws governing discrimination on the grounds of race. For the purposes of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975, and under Australian courts’ jurisprudence in relation to that Act, a distinction made on the basis of a person’s citizenship is not a distinction based on race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin.